In 1984, Emmanuel Goldstein is the Osama Bin Laden/ Saddam Hussein figure-- someone whose name is synonymous with everything bad, evil, heretical, and unholy.

Of course we have all been trained to hate these two men, but who else are we encouraged to hate?

In 1984, hating the "enemies" of Big Brother was a form of "hate training" for the public.

I see how we are encouraged to hate Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson, even before they've been tried before a court of law!! What the fuck IS that?
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    Re: Who is our Emmanuel Goldstein?

    Thu, May 12, 2005 - 6:34 AM
    IMHO, we change who we hate depending on what the agenda is. Unlike in 1984, our facists create moving targets of hate so that we don't focus too long on any one of them (other than bin laden.) I believe this is effective in that it prevents too close of an analysis to expose the humanity of the target. Here are a couple examples:

    Judges
    The whole push on "activist judges" is a means to remove any remaining democratic philoshophies in the judicery. This is required to begin altering our laws to be more reglious fundamentalist as well as "reform" of voting and whatnot to secure their positions in power.

    Liberals
    The rapture right through media channels like Rush et.al. Have made liberal a term even the democratic party if afriad of. Then they accuse any foe to be liberal and any non-liberal activity by them is considered lying or a tactic to usurp the right way of thinking (i.e. Hillary Clinton)

    Gays
    The anti-gay rights movement by the right marginalizes them as a group and therefore dehumanizes them. They are working on it, first "protect marrage", then go after tolerance, then un-family like lifestyles, etc.

    Just to start off the day...
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      Thu, May 12, 2005 - 2:00 PM
      Good posts Doug--

      Yes-- I always wondered why democrats run away from being called "liberal"-- that's what they're supposed to be!! They should stand up and be proud of it!! Change it from a bad word meaning "cowardly wuss" into one meaning "cares for human beings and the earth".

      I know this may be an unpopular post, but I feel bad for sex offenders-- since they are *justifiably* hate-able-- nobody stands up for their civil rights. It seems like they are always making laws against them, making it harder for them just to live.

      While I can be appalled at what they have done, I also feel bad for the way they are treated...
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        Re: Who is our Emmanuel Goldstein?

        Thu, May 12, 2005 - 7:15 PM
        Your right about that. The villification and subsequent removal of rights for pediphiles is certainly up there in terms of creating a sub-class.

        Yes, I'm liberal and proud of it but it does make for interesting conversations when you mention that to people and they roll their eyes. I do try to understand where the right comes from but it is just a bunch of hoohaa based on non-facts and predjudice assumptions (like that teming mass of welfare mothers who are bankrupting the country and getting pregnant so they can go buy a mercedes...)
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          Re: Who is our Emmanuel Goldstein?

          Mon, May 30, 2005 - 3:24 AM
          For what it's worth, you don't have to be an actual paedophile or sex offender to have your civil liberties curtailed by the current moral panic about paedophilia.

          It is reaching the point where anyone who talks to kids, has any interaction with kids (including blatantly non-sexual interaction), or even supports the rights and civil liberties of young people, can be branded "paedophile" by people.

          The state and the Establishment must take a large part of the blame for this situation. Here in the UK, we have seen a whole raft of panic laws introduced, with the alleged aim of curbing child abuse. These include:

          The anti-grooming Act, which makes it possible for someone to be prosecuted for "befriending" a child if there is "suspicion" that he or she may be planning to sexually abuse the child. On what basis is "suspicion" reasonable, and what is the definition of "befriending"? Sounds dangerously close to Thought Crime to me!

          Cameras and camcorders are banned from whole swathes of areas where there are children. Most schools in the UK even ban parents from recording or photographing their own kids, in school plays etc.

          Anyone who works with children, even on a voluntary basis, now needs to be vetted by the Police to "confirm" they are not a danger to children. As well as convictions, spent convictions and cautions, the info held by the Police includes failed prosecutions, and even information which may never have been verified - which may "in exceptional circumstances" (not made clear how exceptional!) may be passed on to a prospective employer. The use of unverified accusations to potentially stunt or destroy someone's career, sounds dangerously close to McCarthyism to me!

          I have severe doubts over how effective these measures will be at actually stopping sexual abuse (I also have similar doubts about the effectiveness of the over-the-top anti terrorism legislation, in stopping terrorism). But they have definitely had a negative impact on all of our civil liberties!
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        Re: Who is our Emmanuel Goldstein?

        Mon, May 30, 2005 - 3:31 PM
        Although I don't like sex offenders, especially paedophiles or child abusers of any sort (I am also vehemently anti-corporal punishment), I do welcome your honesty and your guts to say what needs to be said.

        I'm gonna make a post which will perhaps be even more unpopular. That is, I think the law regarding child porn has parallels with the law on hard drugs (another area I don't like!), in that the total clamp-down is making the situation worse by driving it underground.

        Granted, the law is there because child pornography is created by the abuse of children - which must be stamped out harshly. However, I disagree with the Establishment's (somewhat hypocritical) assertion that "every child porn image represents an abused child" - if the same image is distributed many times, the maths don't add up there! Even one abused child is one too many, true, but misleading comments by the Establishment don't help us weed out the real villains, ie those who make and sell the images.

        In my view, harsh action must be taken against those who commit or profit from child abuse. However, those who download child port which is not paid for - in cash, in supplying images in return, or by any other means - should be decriminalised. They cannot really be accused of "contributing to the abuse of children" as such. I find child porn utterly obscene, and believe those who look at it are sick perverts, but also believe there's a difference between people who are sick and people who are actually a danger to children.

        This would also mean people who view or download child porn by accident, or as a result of a virus/trojan/hacker attack (which has happened at least once in the USA) would not be prosecuted. And people who stumble across such sites, whether by accident or through a spam email, would be less hesitant to contact the authorities and get the real nonses shut down.

        A "grey area" is pseudo-images of naked children, created by doctoring adult porn pictures (don't ask how, I really don't know!) Should the supply of those be decriminalised, if it stops nonses from taking indecent images of real children? Maybe readers could submit their views - they can't possibly be as controversial as this posting!

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